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hi there. i'm brooke baldwin. a lot to get to this hour. the news keeps coming in on this ebola case here in the united states. the quarantine partner of ebola patient has spoken to cnn and when you hear details, it's a shocker. you hear about the sheets that this man slept in while he was sick. they have still been on this woman's bed. you'll hear what else she told anderson cooper in just a moment. first, a quick update. news from the director of the cdc moving to assure people they have the situation under control. take a listen. >> bottom line here is that we remain confident that we can contain any spread of ebola within the united states. there could be additional cases who are already exposed if that occurs, systems are in place so that they will not further spread ebola. >> now, the number of people who could be at risk here of contracting ebola from duncan
could now be as many as 100 at the hospital, at the apartment complex where he was staying and in the surrounding community. so far about a dozen people confirmed to have had direct contact with duncan are being monitored for ebola. five of them are children. today their schools are being disinfected, cleaned top to bottom by janitors dressed in hazmat suits and at the apartment where duncan was staying, four people are under quarantine. first, this woman described as a partner of his. her name is luouislouise. louise talked to anderson cooper and i caught up with anderson about their conversation earlier today. you just talked this morning to louise, we're not giving her whole name, who is the partner of thomas duncan, who is the patient, the ebola patient in dallas.
begin at the beginning with it was her apartment in which he was staying? >> she's a caretaker. thomas duncan was visiting her. she's had a relationship with him. they're not legally married. it's not clear what the current status is. he was visiting her and her family. started to feel sick. she took his temperature. it was 101. she brought him to the hospital. she says as they were checking in at the emergency room, he was asked for a social security number. she said he doesn't have one because he just came here from liberia. the person said that's no problem. they saw a healthcare worker. louise says she also told that person he had just come from liberia. louise didn't mention ebola. she wasn't thinking about ebola at all. thomas duncan didn't mention it at all either and none of the healthcare workers, nurses or anyone else asked thomas duncan about ebola. >> no bells were going off? >> no red flags were raised other than the fact she mentioned liberia twice to the
hospital. he was sent home with antibiotics. she went and got it to him. he started to get severe diarrhea in her apartment. one of her children was there. and two nephews in their 20s were there. over the course of the next several days thomas duncan got sicker. louise would go back and forth. she worked during the day. she would come back. she does not believe he left the apartment but she can't say 100% because she wasn't there the full time. she says he never vomited but they were sharing a bed. he was sweating during the night. >> how close do we even know how close of contact? >> they were sharing a bed. he was sweating. and having a lot of diarrhea running to the bathroom. she was at work the day he became sick and louise's daughter came to bring him tea and found him shivering and called an ambulance and followed him, went to the hospital with
him. that's when they started to check for ebola. the thing that surprising to me right now is louise is at home. she's been told by the cdc who came to visit her that she has to stay there for 21 days with these three other members of her family who were there when thomas duncan was there but the towels that thomas duncan used are still in the apartment. louise put them in a plastic bag and sheets she used and pillowcases he used are still on the bed. louise is not sleeping on the bed but she's not sure what to do. >> just to back up for a second. the 21 days is what doctors are saying. you may not show symptoms for 21 days. the incubation period. you talk to her on the phone. she's stuck in her place for 21 days along with a 13 year old and two nephews. how is she doing? >> she's clearly upset. she's scared. she's a woman of very strong faith. praying a lot. she's taking her temperature
every hour. she's very well aware of what she needs to be on the lookout for but she is concerned about how is she going to get food over the next 21 days? health officials brought sandwiches for her last night. she is waiting for someone to bring food today. she was told the cdc will visit her every day. >> have they been knocking on her door? >> they haven't been there today when i talked to her right before noon. she expects them to come. she's hoping the red cross will bring some food. obviously she can't go out shopping. she's not allowed to leave the apartment. >> unbelievable. we'll watch much more of your interview at 8:00 eastern here on cnn. thank you, sir. >> thanks. that was anderson. we'll watch for his interview tonight at 8:00. meantime, duncan brought ebola to the united states from liberia, one of three nations in west africa hit the hardest by this deadly virus.
so dr. oliver johnson is over there and treats ebola patients in what's called the hot zone. he joins me live from sierra leo leone. we have confirmation that the sheets, towels upon which this ebola patient used are being -- will be removed from this apartment. the health officials are en route. can you tell me the process of doing so and will they be burned? destroyed? >> i imagine the process in some way in texas will be very different to freetown where we have very little resourcing. what we would do here is burn them. we have a pit at the back of the hospital and porters who have been specially trained wearing full suits and goggles and masks would take materials and wrap them up and they will spray the
bags and transport them and fully burn all waste that had come in contact with someone with ebola. there would be great deal more equipment and other things to make sure it's completely safe. >> we'll wait to see if they're burned and what the process is here in the states. this was in "the new york times" reporting that this dallas patient left liberia after he had been in contact with this woman, this pregnant woman, who died who had ebola. my question to you is how was he having had that contact allowed to leave? >> i think it's very difficult to when someone is leaving the country you have to hear their story about what happened and you can't read their minds and of course people have so much -- ebola is everywhere across west africa. all of us are having contact with people who may have ebola every day and i think what it is a wake-up call for us. we can't control it. we can't protect ourselves by
closing our borders. what we have to learn from this is that our hospitals in the u.s. and in europe need to be on the alert. most importantly, if we want to stay safe, we have got to commit in the west in solving this outbreak in west africa. we need to send teams of clinicians and supplies and logistics and funding out here to end the outbreak in west africa as soon as possible because that's going to be the only way to really protect all of us in the west. that's going to be the take-home message to the american public today. >> let me ask you, dr. johnson, there in the thick of it, it's easy for a lot of people to become alarmists and fearful for nightmare scenarios. you are dealing with and treating these people person to person. can you just -- i don't know if assure is the right word because a lot of people are worried here in the states, how do you keep your calm? >> so we have been here for a couple years. we were here when ebola started and we've been alongside
colleagues at the main government hospital trying to make sure this is brought under control. we thought maybe we would see 10 or 20 cases and have seen over 300 cases. ebola has become normal. what we learned is that if you take basic precautions, if you wear the right gear, if you are cleaning things properly, there's nothing to worry about. the reason the outbreak is so big in west africa is because when they are sick they often don't go to hospital and when they die they don't go to funeral homes. hospitals themselves don't have great infection control supp supplies, gloves, chlorine and training. we don't have here the kind of surveillance system you would have in the west to track down these contacts and track down these cases and quarantine people effectively. this is why the outbreak is out of coal in west africa but it's a different story in the united states where as you can see already the houses have been quarantine, patient is being safely managed and people present to hospital when they get sick.
i would agree with the director of the cdc maybe there would be one or two additional cases from the immediate contact but i have no doubt the cdc has traced down all of the contacts that there are, quarantined them and there will be no risk of transmission in a hospital setting right now and this won't become an outbreak in the united states or an ongoing threat. that's not -- the public in the united states shouldn't be concerned right now of this o outbreak. they you had be concerned about the cases in west africa as they continue to increase every day more and more cases. that's a real worry. if the disease continues to be out of control here, there may be more cases that travel directly to the united states or they'll travel by europe or by china or by somewhere else and this disease will continue to spread. it will start to affect our economies, our trade, our air travel. so really again i would go back to this idea you don't need to worry about too much about this individual case. what you do need to worry about
is making sure we tackle the heart of the problem. >> absolutely. it's incredible the work you and teams around you have been in the thick of for months, years, there in west africa and beyond. dr. oliver johnson, thank you for speaking with me this afternoon and putting this into perspective for us in the u.s. for you watching, we want your questions on ebola. they are wonderful those that have come in. send me tweets and use the hashtag ebolaqanda and we'll bring in dr. sanjay gupta who is all over this and he's been to west africa and answer your questions in half an hour on cnn. breaking news in the war against isis. turkey now joining the u.s. as terrorists surround this key border city and civilians are told to get out right now. we'll take you there live. we're also now hearing which incident was the final straw for president obama in this whole
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the president alluded to the crisis what's happening with ebola. with everything in iraq, syria, ebola, why now is he talking about the economy? >> he's very eager to talk about the economy. there's a lot of good economic news that he wants to talk about not just the stock market but also in terms of job growth and in fact you may have noticed in the last couple weeks when president obama came out to the white house, the brady briefing room, to talk about isis, the very first thing he did was talk about the economy even though that wasn't purportedly the reason he was coming out. remember this was the central catastrophe as he took office with those huge job losses and the stimulus package and all of the economic recovery and times the economy wasn't recovering that he took heat for. he much rather have focus be on that especially as people go to the voting booths in november.
>> a reminder, refocus, telling everyone hold that applause. you'll have many more places to applaud. what his administration has accomplished in the last couple of years. rick newman, what about you? of course the president mentioning the unemployment rate. rates have been going down. let me just share with viewers the cnn/orc poll. 42% say economic conditions are good. you have the rich getting richer. 27 new billionaires on "forbes" most richest list this year. can you be real with me. how is the economy? >> the whole question compared to what? there are a lot of trends going in the right direction but there are millions of americans that are just still in a huge hole. i'll give you one number that captures this. household income for typical family is 5% lower than it was before the recession in 2007 and it's probably not going to get back to pre-recession levels until 2019.
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ended five years ago. it's extraordinary that we're even still talking about it. during normal times, you would not have a president saying, hey, everybody, the recession is over. just letting you know five years after it officially ended. that's how big a problem it is. >> to jake's point, it was rough when he took over? went black. i don't know where you guys went. it was rough when he took over. he's trying to remind everyone to jake's point as we are a month away from those mid terms, hey, listen, it's improving. hopefully getting better and you young people, you young people at northwestern university can help shape that. jake tapper, see you at 4:00 eastern. rick newman, thank you very much. coming up next on cnn, breaking news in the war against isis. turkey as we mentioned a moment ago joining the united states as terrorists have been surrounding this key border city and the people who live there are getting out and are told to flee. we'll take you there live and we're getting word about a news conference from dallas on the
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the nation's first ebola patient, his name is thomas duncan, he remains in serious condition at the dallas hospital. his partner is a woman by the name of louise is quarantined with her family in her dallas apartment where duncan was staying where he became ill with ebola. she talked to anderson cooper earlier today. here's part of what she shared with him. the sheets duncan used in the bed in which they shared where he was sick sweating all over with a fever, they are still on that bed. a cdc official told cnn that a medical waste contractor is on the way to get those sheets and get those towels that he used. meanwhile, health officials, health workers are scrambling trying to get in touch with about 100 people who might have
had direct contact with thomas duncan, this patient. what does this mean with regard to risks for you? dr. sanjay gupta is standing by with answers to those questions. sanjay, let me begin. we got news that this patient, thomas duncan, when he was still living in liberia, he was in contact with ebola patients during that stay there including one individual who had ebola who he was helping take care of yet still he was able to get on a flight and come to the u.s. your reaction? >> well, you know, there's some details that need to be filled in there obviously. i heard some of those same reports as well. i guess one of the big questions is did he know that the patient that he was helping had ebola? because what i can tell you if
things went right at the airport, he would have been asked about that. one of the questions you get asked is your recent exposure to ebola patients. we don't know what he knew for sure. i think we need to wait more and fill in details and they may be forthcoming. what you're trying to do if you can confirm that someone had an exposure even if they don't have a fever and they look healthy, if there's been a confirmed exposure like the one that has been described with him, they would have asked him to wait 21 days, take his temperature before traveling to make sure he didn't have ebola. i think there's some details that are still need to be filled in here. >> the 21-day incubation period. i keep looking down at my notes. looks like he was aware this patient was infected with ebola but we're trying to get more information on that and to your point lots of questions should have been asked that perhaps were not at the airport. let me move to the other viewer
questions. first one being can ebola mutate and become airborne if not controlled? >> it's a great question. what i can tell you is that viruses can mutate and even since the beginning of this outbreak we know there have been mutations in the ebola virus. each time a mutation occurs, it may change the virus a little bit but it may not have an impact on the way that it behaves. could one of those mutations potentially make it airborne? perhaps. another mutation could make it less lethal. there's all sorts of different things that could happen at any given time. there's nothing to suggest that it is mutating toward an airborne form and some form of coordinated mutations going on so that part of it is unpredictable. brooke, i hope you get a flu shot every year. i think you do maybe. the reason you get a flu shot every year is because the flu virus changes a little bit every year. it undergoes some changes and same thing can happen to the
ebola virus. it may not go airborne but it changes a bit. >> okay. another question and this is probably because we now know the sheets and towels that they used are still in this apartment in dallas so the question is how long does the ebola virus remain alive on surfaces like sheets and seats and countertops, et cetera. >> right. well, we know the ebola virus can live outside of the body. it can do that. this is something that may surprise a lot of people but this can live for even a few days on surfaces. if it's exposed to sunlight, obviously if the area is cleaned, the virus can be rendered inactivated but it can live on surfaces. it seems to me the real question that someone is asking with that is could then i touch that surface and touch my nose, my mouth and eyes and get an infection. what i'm hearing and i asked a lot of people about this and looked at a couple of scientific papers examining that very issue, the best answer is that in theory that's possible.
it's extraordinarily unlikely. when the virus is out there for a bit of time, it may change and be less ineffective but hard for a virus to sit on a countertop and someone else comes by and touches it and gets infected. that just doesn't seem very likely. >> okay. sanj sanjay, stick around because we're getting more breaking news. we're now hearing from a certain someone who is the half brother of this patient. also hearing from the liberian airport to sanjay's point asking about questions not asked of this patient but says thomas duncan was screened three times before he boarded this flight and so legal action being taken here. we'll analyze this next. i'm o. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.
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all right. sounds like there could be a possible prosecution happening if there patient, if this individual who flew from monrovia, liberia to the united states to dallas, the one infected with ebola, didn't exactly tell the truth when he hopped on that plane. we have to figure that out. elizabeth cohen is joining us live from dallas. we have sanjay gupta joining us from centers for disease control. can you tell us what you know for the screening prag ining pr
duncan to have left liberia in the first place. >> i left liberia on september 26th, a week after duncan would have left liberia. i know that we went through the same process. i was handed a form that i had to fill out and there are two questions that i think are of particular interest in this case, brooke. one of the questions is did you stay in a house with or have other casual contact with an ebola patient and have you taken care of an ebola patient or come into contact with bodily fluids of an ebola patient. so if you answer question to any of those questions, you get secondary screening. doesn't mean you can't leave the country. it means that they are going to talk with you and screen you again. they take your temperature again. so we don't know how he answered those questions. we don't know if he went through that secondary screening. >> sanjay, to you, i thought you brought up a great point as we
get information that the ebola patient in serious condition in dallas was living in a home where he and others were carrying for this ebola infected patient. so he would have answered yes to one of those questions that elizabeth just mentioned. so we don't know how he answered but was he showing shin ining s fever? he wasn't in liberia, correct? >> my understanding is he was without any signs or symptoms and was able to get on the plane. i think earlier they gave his exact temperature which was a normal body temperature at the time he was screened in liberia. there wouldn't have been any indication from taking his temperature. the questionnaire is important. we don't know how he answered. we don't know what he knew. it's one of these situations where i think some of the details do matter here. did he know that the person who was sick in fact had ebola. that could be a difficult thing to know because there are different viral diseases that can cause these type of symptoms
in west africa and liberia. so i think that's really important to find out though what he knew and how he answered based on that knowledge. >> also at least to give him -- i don't want to say credit but at least what we're learning from his partner who spoke with anderson cooper earlier today, he was forthright with this nurse at this hospital in dallas in saying two different times i came from west africa. i don't know if the word ebola came up but there was that lost in transition issue because the nurse didn't relay that to doctors and he ended up going home. my other question to you in the news value, the news nugget in this is we learn airport authority will seek to prosecute him if it's determined that he made a false declaration and if he lied in the airport in liberia. >> it will be interesting. do they still have that form? do they keep them for that long?
if what "the new york times" reports is true, which is that he carried an ebola patient, he had definitely close contact with an ebola patient and answered no, that's an issue. >> that would be a problem. elizabeth cohen and dr. sanjay gup gupta, thank you so much. we'll come back to this. we're watching and waiting for this news conference to happen in dallas. it will be city and county and state officials to update everyone on what's happening there with this ebola patient. we'll bring that to you live as soon as we see that happen. also ahead, "the final straw." the final straw that took down the head of the secret service. cnn learned what finally pushed president obama over the edge when it came to the agents and the woman at the top of the secret service protecting him. that's next. narrator: this is the storm sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant
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90% saw smoother, softer skin in one week. gold bond. ultimate lotion. ultimate skin. a secret service source says investigators are now looking into this elaborate video that shows all of the turns and tackles this intruder faced inside the white house back on september 19th and so that footage would be part of the independent investigation looking into multiple failures by the u.s. secret service that very day. however, it wasn't that but another lapse that ultimately cost julia pierson, the director, her job. you are watching with us. it broke this time yesterday. she resigned. jeh johnson and ultimately the president accepted that resignation. a source says the elevator incident in georgia at the cdc that happened three days before the white house intruder became "the last straw." here's the thing. the president found out just before the public did that a security contractor with an
unauthorized gun rode in an elevator with me. jeffrey robinson, co-author of "standing next to history." we didn't get enough of you yesterday. we had to bring you back. let's begin with the notion the president watching josh earnest at the white house briefing yesterday said the president only found out about that elevator breach, the afternoon before. "the washington post" had it the next morning. it was -- that is when he found out. >> inexcusable. there are at least two people who have or should have direct access to the oval office without going through chief of staff or anybody who can walk into the oval office. that's head of the presidential protective division and the head of the secret service. there is no excuse not to inform the president of what's going on. >> every time there's a breach, is he always supposed to be informed? >> he should be. he should be. of course. it's his life on the line.
it's his family's life on the line. he should be, yes. >> let's talk about this guy that's the interim director. joe clancy. with secret service until 2011. he's been in the private practice. white house saying that they are so grateful he's taking a leave of absence to take this top spot at least for now. and we're learning, yes, he was in charge when the so-called gate crashing incident happened. that could be a knock on him if he does want the job. he also worked closely with the first couple on protection arrangements for the daughters. isn't so much of this about trust with the first family? >> total trust. 100% trust. as the president of the united states, you put your life and your family's life in the hands of these people. it's 100% trust. so any breach of confidence becomes a serious thing. i don't know mr. clancy. i do know that his lineage goes back to the clinton years which would be fine. early clinton years. that would be fine. the problem is that what you see with the secret service from the
time obama takes office and we spoke about this yesterday, the disintegration of proximity and intensity and you see that with secret service that he ran. there was not the same intensity and not the same proximity you had with reagan and clinton in the first term. that may preclude him from taking over. >> you wanted us and we said yes to pull up this video of the white house intruder. the guy with the knife. gets all of the way to the east room. walk me through this. >> watch over on the left-hand corner. >> all of the arrows, these are secret service. >> all of these guys are ex-football players. they have all played football in high school or college or somewhere. they should have been -- >> guys on the roof. >> they should have been able to tackle him. no way he should have got through that door. the door was unlocked.
unpardonable sin. that's excommunication right there. he got all of the way into the east room being chased by these guys. no. sorry. where were the dogs? too many people around. these dogs are trained. you say fido there and he goes after the guy running. this is one failure after another and as we said yesterday and as i continue to say today, the secret service cannot afford a failure. >> jeffrey robinson, thank you so much. author of "standing next to history." city, county, state leaders holding a news conference about the dallas ebola patient. we'll take that live as soon as it begins and all of this as we're getting word that the patient's sheets are still on the bed and the news that is just into us that the liberian airport will prosecute him if he lied when asked the key questions about exposure to
we continue on. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. a stunner in the case of the first person diagnosed with ebola here in the united states. potentially contaminated waste, sheets, towels in the dallas apartment where thomas duncan was edsed ed staying before be admitted to the hospital. his partner, a woman named louise, told us that duncan's sheets are still on her